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  posted on 7/8/2010 at 06:20 PM
I always heard Gerry Grooms got Duane's old SG, and that it eventually wound up in Graham Nash's hands. So, what say you all about this supposed historic piece? Real or bogus?

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  posted on 7/8/2010 at 06:52 PM
Nothing about that description is convincing that it was Duane's. Todd once told me at a d[b show that Derek tried to buy Duane's SG from Graham Nash and the offer was refused. So to me that validaTes that Graham Nash has THE SG. Not some cheap pawn shop hood willing to slice and dice offers to get his paws on a PRS Santana model. Smoke n mirrors I tell ya. Something wreaks about it.
 

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  posted on 7/8/2010 at 07:49 PM
Appears bogus to me. First reason I say this is that it looks like it originally had a lyre vibrola on it - notice the shading of the finish. Also, the bridge is farther back from the saddle than a standard SG, and you can see evidence of between the saddle and bridge of a hole or two. To my knowledge, Duane's SG was actually Dickeys, which was a standard SG, no lyre, correct? The truss rod cover appears correct. It also lacks a wide bevel on the pickguard. Just a stab in the dark, but I say its bogus.

And lets be frank...you are selling Duane Allman's f**king SG. You are posting it on mygear.com? You have 6 photos of it. No actual valid proof? Get the f*** out of here.

 

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  posted on 7/8/2010 at 08:18 PM


Duane playing the SG...It had a some kind of vibrato bar on it at one time. There are holes down by the lower part of the body



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  posted on 7/8/2010 at 09:29 PM
Wow nice photos. Havent seen either. If that is Duane's SG for sale, it has been refinished then, as I don't see the holes in the bottom like in the two other pictures. Can you date that centerfold pic of the guitar? Maybe the holes were plugged and covered well, because the surface on the SG for sale is checked. Still don't believe its legitimate, although I have been proven wrong that it was indeed a SG with a vibrola on it.

 

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  posted on 7/8/2010 at 09:58 PM
I don't think its the same guitar either because he makes no mention of Graham Nash and it's well documented that he has the guitar. So he may very well have a 63 SG that's worth maybe...$6,000 or so...I really don't know....Not all original- plugged holes...non original tuners

Plus the checking on Duane's is extreme and if he refined it he really dropped the value

The other one doesn't have the discolored spot above the bridge PU Like Duane's

 

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  posted on 7/8/2010 at 10:33 PM
Gerry had the SG with him when he was living in Ohio in at least 74 if not 75...I saw it and strummed it. He touted it as "Duane's SG" at the time so it seems unlikely that this guy got it from Groom in '73. Kirk always has substantiated the guitar's history from Gregg to Groom and eventually to Nash from Gerry's family I believe...I'll support him with that as well. The guitar almost burnt up in a fire in my hometown in Wilmington during this same period. Gerry had left the guitar where he was staying with orders ...'not to take it out'. He went to a gig in Columbus I think. His then band members took the guitar to a jam session at a local club called Hammie's in WIlmington. In the 'wee hours'....folks came running in and told the guys..."Your house is on fire across town!". It was. As it was always told to me....Gerry was thankful that the guys had disobeyed and took the guitar to the jam. True story.

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  posted on 7/9/2010 at 06:37 AM
It's amazing that Duanes SG would even leave the ABB family. Why Gregg does not have it is beyond me.

 

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  posted on 7/9/2010 at 06:40 AM
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It's amazing that Duanes SG would even leave the ABB family. Why Gregg does not have it is beyond me.
Well.....he traded Hot'lanta to Twiggs for an old car. Figure that one out.

 

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  posted on 7/9/2010 at 10:25 AM
I don't think it was Duane's.

 

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  posted on 7/9/2010 at 10:47 AM
I don't know if Duane had multiple SG's or not, I always thought he only owned the one, but anyway I believe his SG is in the rock and roll hall of fame.

 

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  posted on 7/9/2010 at 12:28 PM
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I don't know if Duane had multiple SG's or not, I always thought he only owned the one, but anyway I believe his SG is in the rock and roll hall of fame.


It was the 2 times I was there

 

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  posted on 7/9/2010 at 01:14 PM
If this is Duane's SG it has been refinished. Me personally, I think the guitar is bogus. I always felt Gregg should have the SG. I would love to hear Duane's SG in the hands of Derek or Warren.

 

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  posted on 7/9/2010 at 01:16 PM
My initial response to reading the mygear.com listing was, "This is bull$hit!" But I thought it was interesting enough to share here.

 

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  posted on 7/9/2010 at 02:06 PM
The condition of the guitar and it's amazing 'discovery' of late...and I agree, there was only one SG that I am aware of. Now, Dickey had one, maybe two, But I only recall Duane having one.

 

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  posted on 7/9/2010 at 02:18 PM
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  posted on 7/9/2010 at 02:23 PM
I want to contact the seller and tell him he's wrong about who it belonged to, but I don't want to put all my personal information on the mygear.com website just to do it. So.....

 

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  posted on 7/9/2010 at 02:35 PM
Buying a "celebrity axe" is just too risky a venture. What would serve as satisfactory documentation that the guitar ever belonged to the player in question?

I'm guessing that a lot of players owned multiple instances of the same guitar or had guitars that they rarely used at all. Seems like the guy trying to sell the SG knows the part about Gerry Groom. How did he miss the Graham Nash chapter? Does Graham Nash even have the SG? What about the one in the RRHOF?

Also, the "celebrity owned" thing just adds another figure or two to the price tag. You might end up paying major Yen for a guitar that's already been played half to death! A lot of deniro for a conversation piece if you ask me.

 

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  posted on 7/9/2010 at 03:05 PM
it would be easy to see with the naked eye if an attempt was made to hide the holes. refinishing alone would not be able to disguise this. neither would wood fillers, or even rosewood dowels made to plug the holes.

 

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  posted on 7/9/2010 at 03:10 PM
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Gerry had the SG with him when he was living in Ohio in at least 74 if not 75...I saw it and strummed it.


I was doing a radio show in Steamboat Springs, CO, in '75 or so, playing the Warehouse tapes...

This guys calls the station, says he's passing through town, and asked if I'd like to see Duane's SG...

Duh...

Anyway, don't remember his name, but I'm pretty sure after looking at pics that it was Gerry, and that the guitar was indeed Duane's...
I do remember the Bigsby holes, and that's about it...

Edit: Not a Bigsby, but a sideways Vibrola that was removed from Duanes '61 Les Paul (SG)...

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  posted on 7/9/2010 at 04:39 PM
The "SG" is in the RRHOF and has a note that it belongs to Graham Nash's collection. I'm not sure but almost all the instraments, memorabilia, etc at the RRHOF are on loan. Think about it what a great way to own a celebrity something. They keep it, insure it and you don't have to worry about it being stolen.

 

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  posted on 7/9/2010 at 05:23 PM
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Real or bogus?



Don't care.

Dwane who?



Shouldn't you be over on the Dan Peek website?

 

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  posted on 7/9/2010 at 05:24 PM
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Classic Duane.

Looks like you and he would be GOOD friends...

 

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  posted on 7/10/2010 at 11:48 PM
The guitar ended up with Gerry because Duane promised him if anything ever happened to him...he could have the guitar. Gregg honored that promise ....I've heard that story multiple times from multiple--unrelated--people.

 

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